Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Atheist “Darwin fish” symbol is scientifically inaccurate and foolish
Atheist “Darwin fish” symbol is scientifically inaccurate and foolish
Like the word “atheist” itself, the atheist “Darwin fish” symbol posits the concept of “God” – or here: “Christ and Christianity” – in order to define itself; thereby symbolizing what atheists are against rather than symbolizing what atheists are for. The American Atheists‘ symbol, asinaccurate and as misleading as it is, scientifically, at least symbolizes what American Atheists promotes or believes in– scientific progress – as opposed to what they are against.
The words “atheist” and “atheism” are taken from the Greek word: “atheos” (ἄθεος) which, in English, translates as: “God not”, or “without God”. The words “theist” and “theism” come from the Greek word for God: “theos” (θεός), and the “a” (ἄ) which is placed in front of the word (or any word in Greek) simply negates the meaning of the word, in this case “a” “theos” = “no God”. As I said, the concept of God must first be posited and then negated.
In my opinion, this positing of the notion of God and then having to negate it, in order to define one’s belief, is very problematic for atheists. Better, I think, to simply call one’s self a scientist, or a believer in science and scientism. To me, the Darwin fish, which is the Christian fish symbol with feet with the name “Darwin” inside the fish, is both unscientific and foolish. For one thing, again, it’s dependent upon one’s first understanding the meaning of the Christian symbol; and, for another thing, science has never discovered – living or dead – a fish with feet, such as the one represented by the Darwin fish symbol. In fact, every time I see this silly symbol on someone’s vehicle I think to myself: “If that ridiculous symbol symbolized MY beliefs, I certainly would NOT show it to anyone, let alone display the absurdity of my foolish belief – in public – on the back of my vehicle”.
“Adrian Barnett notes:
“A subject that often crops up on atheist newsgroups is “What is the atheist’s symbol?”
After all, Christians have their cross, Jews have their star, Muslims have their crescent moon and so on. What can Atheists have?”
The Darwin fish is seen fairly often — either as shown here or with the name Darwin in its body. This has the potential disadvantage of being mistaken as a symbol for belief in evolution. Also, it may be regarded as a cynical attack on a common Christian symbol: the Ichthus (fish): 
Another potential Atheist symbol would be similar to the logo of the band Bad Religion. It consists of a black cross on a white background inside a red circle with a diagonal red slash. We don’t show it here because it is copyrighted. It can variously be interpreted as “no Christians here” or “Christianity forbidden.” This has the serious disadvantage of being an explicitly anti-Christian symbol instead of a pro-Atheist logo.
Why the fish was chosen as a symbol of Christianity is something most non-Christians (and, I would image, atheists as well) are probably not aware of. The symbol is much more than simply a fish, it’s also a very clever acronym and acrostic, with each letter of Greek word ἰχθύς, which means “fish”, representing the first letter of each word in the saying: “Jesus Christ God’s Son Savior” (Koine, or “common”, Greek was used during the time of Christ and is the original language in which the New Testament was written).
Christian Symbolism
“The definition and the meaning of Symbols or Icon in early religious art forms. A Catholic sign or icon, such as the Ichthus / Fish Christian Symbol, is an object, character, figure, or color used to represent abstract ideas or concepts – a picture that represents an idea. A religious icon, such as the Ichthus / Fish Christian Symbol, is an image or symbolic representation with sacred significance. The meanings, origins and ancient traditions surrounding Christian symbols date back to early times when the majority of ordinary people were not able to read or write and printing was unknown. Many were ‘borrowed’ or drawn from early pre-Christian traditions. No Fish is mentioned by name either in the Old or in the New Testament. Fish abounded in the Mediterranean and in the lakes of the Jordan, so that the Hebrews were no doubt acquainted with many species. Two of the villages on the shores of the Sea of Galilee derived their names from their Fisheries, Bethsaida (the “house of Fish”) on the east and on the west. There is probably no other sheet of water in the world of equal dimensions that contains such a variety and profusion of Fish. About thirty-seven different kinds have been found.
The Definition and Meaning of the Ichthus / Fish as a Catholic Christian Symbol
Catholic Christian symbolism in art provides a clear graphic illustration which represents people or items of religious significance. What is the definition and the meaning of the Ichthus / Fish symbol? Ichthus is the Greek word for fish (ΙΧΘΥΣ). The initials of the word Ichthus are also used as a Christian acronym of the following Greek words:
I=Jesus
Ch=Christ
Th=Theou (God’s)
U=Uios (Son)
S=Soter (Savior)
Ch=Christ
Th=Theou (God’s)
U=Uios (Son)
S=Soter (Savior)
Using the Ichthus acronym IChThUS means “Jesus Christ, God’s Son, Savior”.
The Ichthus / Fish was chosen as an early secret Symbol indicating that the person who knew the meaning of the Ichthus was a Christian and safe to associate with. Being a Christian was extremely dangerous for hundreds of years following the life of Jesus due to the persecutions of the pagan Roman Emperors.
The sign of the Ichthus
The sign of the Ichthus was simple to draw consisting basically of two arcs:
It was not necessary to point the fish in any particular direction, the basic symbol was sufficient:
Reference to the Ichthus / Fish Christian Symbol in the Bible
The Easton Bible Dictionary provides the following definition, meaning and emblem for the Fish in the Bible.
Fish are called called ‘dag’ by the Hebrews, a word denoting great fecundity (Gen. 9:2; Num. 11:22; Jonah 2:1, 10).
There was a regular Fish-market apparently in Jerusalem (2 Chr. 33:14; Neh. 3:3; 12:39; Zeph. 1:10), as there was a Fish-gate which was probably contiguous to it.”
“This fish symbol…is a Christian symbol that dates back to the post-apostolic church. The symbol is derived from the Greek word for “fish,” which is “ichthus.” Each letter is representative of words in acrostic form.

The fish symbol became a code word for believers during times of persecution, expressing, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and my Savior.”
I am of the opinion atheists might do better, in their ongoing search for a symbol which represents their beliefs, if they would use, as symbols, both a clock and a pair of dice, which represent time and chance; two important beliefs for atheists and for those who would attempt to remove God, design, purpose, and intelligibility from our world.
However, even these symbols are problematic. A clock is designed, having only twelve numbers on it, and the dice, too, are designed, have only six sides, with one number on each side. In other words: these represent a limited number – of moments in time, on the clock, and a limited number of chances, in rolling the dice, which is not at all what atheists believe about time and chance and the role they supposedly in our world. A better symbol might be a blank-faced clock and blank-sided dice. Perhaps the American Atheists symbol is best, especially if the symbol is updated to depict a fuzzy particle cloud.
It’s hard for anyone, even atheists, to deny the obvious: intelligibility, design, and purpose do exist in our world, and it’s simply foolish to believe otherwise. It saddens me that so many people actually espouse the belief that they prefer to be without God. Personally, I don’t know how they can live in this world apart from the knowledge of God’s wonderful, infinite wisdom, and his wonderful infinite love. My prayer for those who proudly declare themselves as intellectually and emotionally satisfied apart from God is that they would humble themselves and see the awesome and wondrous beauty and design that is so evident in our world, because it is our the perception of the created world that gives us the knowledge of our world’s Creator: “God is!” Only a fool says in her heart: “There is no God!”
“For from the greatness and beauty of created things comes a corresponding perception of their Creator” (Wisdom 13:5)“The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’ (Psalm 14:1)
American Atheists’ symbol is scientifically inaccurate and misleading
American Atheists’ symbol is scientifically inaccurate and misleading
“When American Atheists (AA) was founded in 1963, they chose the atomic symbol (as seen in the graphic) as their logo.The use of the atomic symbol flowed from their belief that human progress can best be achieved through the scientific method and rational, open inquiry.
Some of the features of this symbol:
The lower part of the symbol is broken or open ended. This refers to the incompleteness that is inherent in the sciences. As AA’s web site says: “Not all of the answers are in.”
The incomplete vertical electron orbit forms the letter “A” which represents Atheism.
The letter “A” in the center of the symbol does not represent Atheism. It stands for the first letter of the name of the country where an AA affiliate group is located — America in this case.
Unfortunately, many people associate this symbol with danger, nuclear waste, hazardous radiation, nuclear bombs, etc. It has not found general acceptance.”
See: American Atheists http://www.atheists.org/
Both eighth grade science classes and American Atheists use the long outdated – and overly simplified – 1911 Rutherford model of the atom, which represents the standard model of the atom as a mini solar system, even though this conception is considered scientifically inaccurate today. The updated and much more accurate understanding of the atom being that of a fuzzy particle cloud.
“In 1911, Rutherford proposed a revolutionary view of the atom. He suggested that the atom consisted of a small, dense core of positively charged particles in the center (or nucleus) of the atom, surrounded by a swirling ring of electrons. The nucleus was so dense that the alpha particles would bounce off of it, but the electrons were so tiny, and spread out at such great distances, that the alpha particles would pass right through this area of the atom.Rutherford’s atom resembled a tiny solar system with the positively charged nucleus always at the center and the electrons revolving around the nucleus.
The big problem with answering “what does an atom look like” is that in order to look at something, we normally shine light on it and observe the light that bounces off. Visible light has a wavelength that is much bigger than atoms. It is impossible to make out small details of objects by probing them with waves of large size — the waves simply flow around the small object. Shorter-wavelength light may be used, but the energy per photon increases as the wavelength shortens. As it turns out, when the light has a wavelength comparable to the size of the atom or smaller, it has enough energy to change the atom by moving the electrons around. This is one consequence of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. We cannot say where the electrons are and how fast they are moving at the same time, and hence we cannot draw a picture with a little electron on one place sitting on a circular orbit. The fuzzy picture at the bottom of the page linked to is closer to the truth, describing the probabilities of finding electrons, depending on where you look for them.
The nucleus, containing protons and neutrons, has a similar problem, but it is much much smaller than theelectron cloud, and hence the energy of a photon needed to resolve structure is much higher. Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle applies to neutrons and protons as well, and so a fuzzy nucleus isn’t such a bad representation either. But for show in a classroom, the clear pictures showing the details get across the important points that atoms consist of protons, neutrons, and electrons, that the protons and neutrons are in the nucleus and the electrons are found at larger radii.
Question – How is it that as you said in a hydrogen atom the electron exists in a cloud around the nucleus? Isn’t it just one electron? Why is it a “cloud” around the nucleus and not like a planet around a star?
Answer – Yes, it is just one electron. The point, however, is that an electron is not what you think it is. It really is a smear, not a dot. That smear can, under some conditions, by pulled into a small region or under other conditions expanded out to a large region. So far as we can tell, that’s all there is to it. As for the idea that there’s really a dot-like position hiding in there, as we discuss above, violations of the Bell Inequalities show that such pictures are false.
Question – Where can I find a diagram of an atom and info about molecules for 5th grade level?
Answer – An atom has two main parts: A very tiny nucleus and the electrons that surround it. A very common picture that is often shown looks like the following one:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Stylised_Lithium_Atom.svg/220px-Stylised_Lithium_Atom.svg.png
This is partially true, since it shows that the electrons live around the nucleus, but it is also misleading since it gives you the idea that the electrons move in circular paths. In fact, the electrons do not move in nice orderly circles. An electron should be thought of more as a fuzzy “cloud” that is able to fill the whole space around a nucleus, kind of like this picture:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Helium_atom_QM.svg
This picture is supposed to give you the impression that the electron is all over the place at the same time. The darkness of the black color indicates that where the electron is most likely to be found at any given instant. As you see, it is most likely to be found close to the nucleus, and not so likely to be found far away. This is still not a very accurate picture, but it’s better than the first one. In actual fact, for example, the nucleus should be drawn much smaller, so small that you would not see it. I’m sure if you look, you can find some other (better) pictures in your school library.”
See also: New and Exciting Physics: What Atoms Look Like: http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/subcategory.php?sub=What%20Atoms%20Look%20Like
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